08:29B:
what's left?
the fashion show
13/01/2015 08:29A:
I didn't go to the fashion exhibition but you tell me
and ill tell you something I've seen
13/01/2015 08:29B:
ah ok...I can't even remember the name of the guy I remember the work but...
13/01/2015 08:30A:
ok lets chat the work?!
13/01/2015 08:30B:
yes I was more thinking I wanted to be able to say his name
13/01/2015 08:30A:
let's look it up
13/01/2015 08:30B:
but I can't remember
13/01/2015 08:31A:
it was at the london college of fashion?
was it stephen someone?
13/01/2015 08:32B:
I don't remember stephen...but maybe!
anyway...I'll find the name
13/01/2015 08:33A:
hah oops maybe its not at all
simon costin
stephen is close enough
13/01/2015 08:34B:yes
Ok so Simon Costin at London College of Fashion I didn't know anything about his work
before
http://www.fashionspacegallery.com/exhibition/impossible-catwalk-shows/
and I don't know much about fashion in general, I'm not really that interestedbut I found the show interesting because it wasn't really that much about fashion it was about ideas
13/01/2015 08:36A:
ah right ill google him
13/01/2015 08:36B:
that hadn't even been realised
13/01/2015 08:36A:
I think that good fashion is often about ideas, rather than trends
13/01/2015 08:37B:
yes definitely, and I do like to see that, I guess maybe what I don't find interesting is the trends
13/01/2015 08:37A:
yes neither, I think there's a start difference
13/01/2015 08:38B:
but in this case, the show was made of proposals, some of which were clearly impossible to realise
13/01/2015 08:38A:
I mean all fashion is trend, some trends I guess work independentlyit looks like his designs are quite elaborate, more conceptual and more art than just garment
13/01/2015 08:38B:
or perhaps not even impossible...just, sort of absurdwhich I liked
13/01/2015 08:39A:
do you suppose it challenges the notions of fashion?
13/01/2015 08:40B:
yes it did, or at the very least the notion of how fashion is presented
13/01/2015 08:41A:
is he a tutor at the college?
13/01/2015 08:42B:
for example, one proposal was for a model of some sort of post-apocaliptic nuclear power plant
13/01/2015 08:42A:
this is fashion directly? How was the exhibition proposed?
13/01/2015 08:43B:
that would basically be a set for the fashion show
13/01/2015 08:43A:
ah right
13/01/2015 08:43B:
but since the air was polluted, the models wouldn't have been able to be thereso there would have been just the clothes
13/01/2015 08:43A:
ah right
13/01/2015 08:44B:
this was a model box of the proposalnever realised...
13/01/2015 08:44A:
did he pitch it somewhere?
13/01/2015 08:44B:
I can't remember
13/01/2015 08:44A:i
t's some kind of story telling
just as the model
13/01/2015 08:44B:
yes
this proposal and a mood board he did for Gareth Pugh were my favourite pieces in the show
13/01/2015 08:45A:
ahh I really like gareth pugh
do they collaborate?
13/01/2015 08:45B:
yes I think so
Simon Costin is apparently very interested in British folklore
so the mood board was all about thatbut it was interesting to see how he combined the images...I mean it's something I've seen done before and I do as well, but the boards were really large
13/01/2015 08:47A:
must have a big studio to make mess in!
13/01/2015 08:47B:
it was interesting to see that in the context of fashionthe only critique I had was that I wish the actual process behind the single proposals would have been more visible
13/01/2015 08:48A:
maybe he intentionally didn't want to show it
13/01/2015 08:49B:
because they presented the model boxed as finished proposals, but the mood boards were so interesting that I wish I'd seen more of those about every single projectyes maybe
13/01/2015 08:49A:
ah that is a shameis he a set designer also?or more concept?
13/01/2015 08:50B:
I think he started as a set designer
13/01/2015 08:50A:
ah right, I thought he was a dress designerthat makes sense
13/01/2015 08:50B:
and then apparently when he was a student he started making really interesting jewellery using taxidermy and things like that
13/01/2015 08:52A:
where did he study?I think it's quite a natural transgression
13/01/2015 08:53B:
he studied with Michael
13/01/2015 08:54A:
oh right
13/01/2015 08:54B:
I was looking him up on google
13/01/2015 08:55B:
http://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/21707/1/simon-costin-creating-the-impossible
13/01/2015 08:55A:
amazing thank you
13/01/2015 08:55B:
ah that's right he did this show called Golden Shower where the catwalk was full of water or something and the models were rained onbut then he was forced to change the name of the showthat was for Alexander McQueen oh great it shows the mood board
13/01/2015 08:58A:
hah people should get over itI think it's great
13/01/2015 08:58B:
yes
13/01/2015 08:59A:
his affiliation with British folklore, and I guess you also have some attachment to that sort of narrative- did you find it inspiring?
13/01/2015 08:59B:
yes very muchI liked the way he mixed images of fiction with reportage and the way he associated imagery
13/01/2015 09:02A:
would you visit his museum?
13/01/2015 09:02B:
sure
13/01/2015 09:02A:
let's go when Im back!
13/01/2015 09:02B:
ok!I really don't know much about British folklore, so it's good
13/01/2015 09:03A:
neither!I'm not even sure it's interwoven into Australian culture, I think we developed a hybridit would be nice to see the routes
13/01/2015 09:03B:
yes
have you seen the Wicker Man?
13/01/2015 09:04A:
no
13/01/2015 09:05B:
it's an old British horror film about paganism I was sure I was going to find an image of it in the mood board
13/01/2015 09:05A:
wow
do you think there should be more of an educated cross over of fashion and performance design within the structure of our course?
13/01/2015 09:07B:
maybe, yes
13/01/2015 09:07A:
to me the crossover is seamless
13/01/2015 09:07B:
because for example I was never drawn to fashion in that sense but I would like to know more
13/01/2015 09:07A:
I think it's essential, I think fashion will suffer without a crossoverI only became consciously interested in fashion after taking set/costume design more seriously
13/01/2015 09:08B:
yes and it seems quite obvious as well
13/01/2015 09:08A:
perhaps it's something we could do in spain even
13/01/2015 09:09B:
I did a costume design course in my BA but we had to work towards one show that had a themeyes sure we could
13/01/2015 09:10A:
it's hard, it's almost like there is scope for fashion to have some theatrical but novel the other way around?
13/01/2015 09:10B:
I say that I'm not interested in fashion but I've always been interested in costumes
13/01/2015 09:10A:
I feel like I want to strip the "costume" elements in theatre
13/01/2015 09:10B:
so I guess it's kind of the same thing
13/01/2015 09:10A:
me too
13/01/2015 09:11B:
I mean I've always been interested in dressing up
13/01/2015 09:11A:
but I think that heightened costumes aren't so necessary in theatre, it's just all been done
yes!
that was a big part of your previous MFA?
13/01/2015 09:11B:yes
13/01/2015 09:12A:I think we should explore this practicallyI'm sure we'd have a nice crossover
13/01/2015 09:12B:but I always saw it more as a pretend playing kind of thing...
13/01/2015 09:12A:yeah of courseI think designers can come from that place for sureor like tapping a pastiche, a movementit's kind of the same thing
13/01/2015 09:13B:like, I love it when there are elements of dress up, but the costume is not perfect
13/01/2015 09:13A:of courseI like fashion that's like that too
13/01/2015 09:14B:I guess maybe I never really think of it as fashionbut it could be
13/01/2015 09:15A:yeah I think stripping that notion is what makes fashion goodlike costumes in theatre
13/01/2015 09:17B:
who are your favourite fashion designers?
13/01/2015 09:17A:
raf simons, #1 !
13/01/2015 09:18B:
his website is weird!
http://www.rafsimons.com
13/01/2015 09:18A:
have you seen margiela's?
13/01/2015 09:18B:
no
13/01/2015 09:19A:
its sooo good
http://www.maisonmartinmargiela.com
13/01/2015 09:20B:
I saw it kinda confusing
13/01/2015 09:20A:
yeah definitelybut really one of the best sites I've seen!
13/01/2015 09:20B:
yes it's good I can't really say I have any favouritesI don't know enoughbut I like Gareth Pugh from what I've seen in the past
13/01/2015 09:21A:
gareth pugh is very talented
13/01/2015 09:23B:
yes I like it...all black
13/01/2015 09:23A:
yep
13/01/2015 09:23B:
just to add one thing to the show...
13/01/2015 09:24A:
yeah go for it
13/01/2015 09:24B:
another small critique is that I think some elements of the way the show was curated weren't so well conceivedtechnically speaking
13/01/2015 09:24A:
oh that's a shamehow come?
13/01/2015 09:26B:
not much, but the way some of the actual support structures were built wasn't perfect and things like that
13/01/2015 09:26A:
presentation is really important!
13/01/2015 09:26B:
not much but since the space was so small it was easy to notice
13/01/2015 09:27A:
I think it is
13/01/2015 09:28B:
this has nothing to do, but it's kind of creepy, I googled Gareth Pugh and I came back to Facebook and now my page is advertising Goth clothes!
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